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Jan Willemsz Woertman

Male Abt 1598 - 1649  (51 years)


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  • Name Jan Willemsz Woertman 
    Birth Abt 1598  Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Death 10 Jan 1649  Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I570  Parlett-Stancliff
    Last Modified 3 Jul 2023 

    Family Harmtje Jans,   b. 1614, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Nederland Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1685, Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 71 years) 
    Marriage 1628  Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
    +1. Dirck Jans Woertman,   b. 1630, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Nederland Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 10 Apr 1694, Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 64 years)
     2. Lijsbeth Janszen,   b. Abt 1630, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Nederland Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 10 Mar 1694, Bushwick, Kings County, Province of New York Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 64 years)
    Family ID F700  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 3 Jul 2023 

  • Notes 
    • {{Dutch Roots|needs=More Records}}
      [[Category:New Netherland Ancestors]]
      :'''Note''': Possible grandparents ...[[Workman-1790|William Workman]] and [[Cocks-126|Elizabeth Cocks]] (there is little proof for any parents, although his parents are thought to be John Workman and Esther Wood, but at present his parents are unknown. <ref>* [https://timeslipsblog.wordpress.com/category/history-of-normandy/ by Judith Ann Workman - Connection to the Vikings]</ref>

      == Biography ==
      :''John William Workman or Jan Willemsz Woertman is assumed to have died in Amsterdam, Holland, some time before the year 1647. Little is known of him except that he was married and had a family. It is believed that he was an emigrant from England, coming to Holland as a result of religious persecution during the time of the Puritan upheavals. Son Dirck according the source used here was son Richard '' (so Dirck Janse =Richard son of John ? )<ref name="Bio"> Quotes from : The Dutch ancestors from material gathered by Lorraine Hansen Butta of Longmont CO., from Dutch Reformed Church Records.</ref>::Note: This really doesn't make a lot of sence...Richard = Dirk, and Dirk Janse is Richard son of John ?? To me looks more like just adjusting names and stuff to just make things match ? (to make the children fit the in fact just wrong parents)[[Timmerman-225|Timmerman-225]] 19:25, 13 June 2016 (EDT)
      : ''In Holland, John or Jan, seemingly integrated into the social and religious way of life of the people there and his family adopted their customs completely so that during the time of their emigrations they were known mainly as sons, daughters, or wife of John. In church records the patronymic pattern was followed almost completely so that John's son, Richard, is recorded as Dirck Jansen very frequently. As early as the year 1628, Jans William Woertman had married Harmtje Jans ? (Hannah, an unusual name among the Dutch) and they were the parents of at least three children born in Amsterdam, Holland''.<ref name="Bio"/>

      === Name ===
      : Name: Jans William /Woertman/<ref>Source: [[#S1]] Note: @N1@</ref>: Name: John William /Workman/<ref>: Source: [[#S-2117289840]]: Note: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=millind&h=10993296&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Text: Birth date: 1600Birth place: EnglandDeath date: 1647Death place: Amsterdam, Holl, Holland APID: 7249::10993296</ref>

      === Birth ===
      :Date: 1598 Amsterdam,Holland<ref>Source: [[#S1]] Note: @N1@</ref>

      :Date: 1598 in Gloucestershire County, England, United Kingdom

      :Date: 1 JUL 1598<ref>: Source: [[#S112]]: TMPLT : Name: Page</ref>
      : Date: 1600 England<ref>:: Source: [[#S-2117289840]]: Note: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=millind&h=10993296&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Text: Birth date: 1600Birth place: EnglandDeath date: 1647Death place: Amsterdam, Holl, Holland APID: 7249::10993296</ref>

      === Marriage===: inschrijvingsdatum: 22-11-1629 naam bruidegom: '''Willemss, Jan''' naam bruid: '''Harmans, Jannetje''' <ref>Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam bronverwijzing: DTB 434, p.356 [https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/ondertrouwregisters_1565-1811/zoek/query.nl.pl?i1=1&v1=j*n&a1=w*&i2=2&p2=p&y2=1500&z2=1660&i3=1&v3=Ja*&a3=Ha*&r3=62&x=20&z=a Marriage 22 November, 1629] opmerkingen: Huwelijksintekeningen van de KERK. Archief van de Burgerlijke Stand: doop-, trouw- en begraafboeken van Amsterdam (retroacta van de Burgerlijke Stand) Ondertrouwregister: NL-SAA-26401621</ref>{{Image|file=Granny_s_pictures-161.jpg|caption=Marriage Jan Willemss and Jannetje Harmans 22 November, 1629 Amsterdam}}<ref>'''Scan Marriage 22 November, 1629''': "Netherlands, Noord-Holland Province, Church Records, 1523-1948," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-31158-13094-70?cc=2037985 : accessed 13 June 2016), Nederlands Hervormde > Amsterdam > Huwelijksaangiften, Trouwen 1628-1630 > image 412 of 582; Nederlands Rijksarchiefdienst, Den Haag (Netherlands National Archives, The Hague).</ref> According the record this Jan Willemsz was born in Amsterdam (b. abt 1608) and Jannetje was from Zwolle (Swol) (b. abt 1607)


      ===Possible Children ===# kind: '''Elizabeth''' doopdatum: 19-07-1613 kerk: Engels Presbyteraanse Kerk godsdienst: Engels Presbyteraans vader: Williams, John <ref>bronverwijzing: DTB 137, p.8 Archief van de Burgerlijke Stand: doop-, trouw- en begraafboeken van Amsterdam (retroacta van de Burgerlijke Stand) [https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/doopregisters_1564-1811/zoek/query.nl.pl?i1=1&v1=John&a1=William*&r1=45&i2=2&p2=p&y2=1500&z2=1650&x=19&z=a Elizabeth baptized 1613] Doopregister: NL-SAA-24367240</ref><br>Uncertain because: No mother or last name mentioned so could be a different guy of course ...
      # {{Image|file=Granny_s_pictures-176.jpg|caption= Baptism Twin, Dirk and Anneken Woertman, 7 December 1631, Amsterdam kind: '''Dirk en Anneken''' kerk: Evangelisch Luthers: boek 139; vader: Jan Woertman <ref>"Netherlands, Noord-Holland Province, Church Records, 1523-1948," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-31163-794-88?cc=2037985 : accessed 24 May 2016), Evangelisch Luthers > Amsterdam > Dopen 1590-1641 > image 408 of 654; Nederlands Rijksarchiefdienst, Den Haag (Netherlands National Archives, The Hague). '''right page, seventh entry'''</ref> See the witnesses and the name Harman, which could indicate Harman maybe was the grandfather...which could mean Harmtje was daughter of Harman and the above found marriage is indeed correct and Harmtje maybe after the death of her husband and emigration just adopted her husbands first name as her patronymic -last name , but it could also mean these just all are totally different people or maybe Jan later married Harmtie Jans ? [[Timmerman-225|Timmerman-225]] 10:18, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
      }}: 3. kind: '''Annetie''' doopdatum: 23-02-1662 kerk: Lutherse Kerk godsdienst: Evangelisch-Luthers vader: Woertman, Jan moeder: Waertmans, Annetie <ref>bronverwijzing: DTB 146, p.16 Archief van de Burgerlijke Stand: doop-, trouw- en begraafboeken van Amsterdam (retroacta van de Burgerlijke Stand) Doopregister: NL-SAA-24503710</ref> <br>this probably isn't this Jan Willems (Woertman) since it's said he died before 1647..

      === Death ===
      :Date: 10 JAN 1640 Holland<ref>Source: [[#S1]] Note: @N1@</ref>
      : Date: 1647 Amsterdam, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands<ref>: Source: [[#S-2117289840]]: Note: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=millind&h=10993296&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Text: Birth date: 1600Birth place: EnglandDeath date: 1647Death place: Amsterdam, Holl, Holland APID: 7249::10993296</ref>

      : Died January 10, 1647 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

      : Date: 10 JAN 1649<ref>: Source: [[#S112]]: TMPLT : Name: Page</ref>

      : 10 Jan 1639/40 Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

      === Burial ===: Place: Netherlands<ref>: Source: [[#S112]]: TMPLT : Name: Page</ref>

      == Sources ==
      * [http://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/d/de/Woertman-9.jpg John William Woertman, Harmtje Jans and Lodewyck de Jong Families]
      * Chester, Chris. "The Brouwer Genealogy Database." ''[freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~brouwergenealogydata''. Accessed May 23, 2016.] and [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~brouwergenealogydata/index.htm '''Jan Woertman''']
      *Source: Descendants of John William Workman [http://www.angelfire.com/ny/chickened/woertmanfamily.html Woertman Family]
      *Source: Workman Family History [http://www.workmanfamily.org/histories/AndersonBook/Americana.html Americana pages 16-27]
      * [https://archive.org/stream/workmanfamilyhis00ande?ref=ol#page/8/mode/2up/search/julyann Workman Family History by Thelma C. Anderson - Page 16]
      * [https://www.geni.com/people/John-Jans-Woertman/6000000001852489594 Entry in Geni Website]
      * [http://www.workmanfamily.org/histories/AndersonBook/Americana.html Workman Family History pages 16-27]
      * [http://www.workmanfamily.org/histories/books.html "Ancestral Sequence of Jans William Woertman of Netherlands 1600-2003" published by Robert Bryner Colton, 2002. ]
      * Source <span id='S112'>S112</span>: Abbreviation: David Wortman: Title: Files mailed by David Wortman
      * Source: <span id='S1'>S1</span> Author: Ancestry.com Title: OneWorldTree Publication: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc.; Repository: [[#R1]] Repository: <span id='R1'>R1</span> Name: Ancestry.com Address: http://www.Ancestry.com
      * Source <span id='S-2117289840'>S-2117289840</span>: Repository: [[#R-2117465979]]: Title: Millennium File: Author: Heritage Consulting: Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2003.Original data - Heritage Consulting. The Millennium File. Salt Lake City, UT, USA: Heritage Consulting.Original data: Heritage Consulting. The Millennium File. Salt Lake City, UT, USA: APID: 7249::0 No REPO record found with id R-2117465979.
      * Source <span id='S-2117433450'>S-2117433450</span>: Repository: [[#R-2117465979]]: Title: Ancestry Family Trees: Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Source: [[#S-2117433450]]:: Page: Ancestry Family Trees Text: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/17332090/person/497240451/facts
      ===Ancestry sources ?===* [http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=23a28983-6c98-4956-ae1c-31e92c122586&tid=35210641&pid=233 htm first generations of Workman family in New World]
      * [http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=101e04f1-3bb4-4b4d-90f1-36ffdbeb3acc&tid=35210641&pid=233 htm Biography of John Workman and a brief history of the name &amp; family]
      * [http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=541b31cb-093c-4c48-8766-39185ad3952f&tid=35210641&pid=233 htm John William Workman]
      * [http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=70035199-9e16-4f89-bac5-709be853e8e0&tid=35210641&pid=233 htm England - Holland - New Netherlands]
      *[http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=d65e702a-385a-402f-bf53-90bfff573eb1&tid=35210641&pid=233 htm nice biographies of Workmans, John Seals, etc.]
      *[http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=4049d40c-34a4-40d2-b343-aec540cc9235&tid=35210641&pid=233 htm Descendancy and records for Jans William Woertman]
      *[http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=d7bd824c-f0b1-40c7-9d1a-af66d4fe8e9e&tid=35210641&pid=233 htm Fled religious persecution, changed name]
      *[http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=d3ec34e3-7d32-4a88-8d5f-df81b6b17ca8&tid=35210641&pid=233 htm Descendants of John William Workman]
      * File: [http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=0cd28b20-fca6-4589-b209-edaac5aebc99&tid=35210641&pid=233 htm Title: England - Holland - New Netherlands/New York]
      * File: [http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=076c8c8f-a9a8-41ae-b0f7-f46d30394325&tid=35210641&pid=233 htm: Title: John William Workman]
      * File: [http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=07392552-68a6-4fc7-b5fb-f871368313c2&tid=35210641&pid=233 Format: htm Title: Woertman to Workman]

      === Acknowledgments ===* This person was created through the import of family.ged on 21 September 2010. The following data was included in the gedcom. You may wish to edit it for readability. User ID: 5860E92AD2312247A21C110614B516CBB684* WikiTree profile Woertman-39 created through the import of Rhodes 2011_2011-07-09_01_01.ged on Jul 9, 2011 by [[Rhodes-899 | Tom Rhodes]]. See the [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=Woertman-39 Changes page] for the details of edits by Tom and others.* Thank you to [[Ellsworth-310 | Jenn Engman]] for creating WikiTree profile Woertman-50 through the import of Ellsworth Family Tree.ged on Apr 20, 2013. Click to the Changes page for the details of edits by Jenn and others.* This person was created through the import of Workman _ Bree(2).ged on 20 January 2011. * Thank you to [[Higgins-2423 | Brad Higgins]] for creating WikiTree profile Workman-876 through the import of Higgins_Miller_Showalter_Workm.ged on Dec 29, 2013. Click to the Changes page for the details of edits by Brad and others.
      *[[McKay-2027|Melissa McKay]] 2016


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      ===Research notes===
      : Marriages for men named John Williams or Jan or John Willemsz, but dates and wifes don't match:# inschrijvingsdatum: 26-03-1605<br>naam bruidegom: William, John naam bruidegom: Willemsz, Jan<br>naam bruid: Willems, Susanna<ref> bronverwijzing: DTB 411, p.454 opmerkingen: Huwelijksintekeningen van de KERK. Archief van de Burgerlijke Stand: doop-, trouw- en begraafboeken van Amsterdam (retroacta van de Burgerlijke Stand) Ondertrouwregister: NL-SAA-26403216</ref># inschrijvingsdatum: 31-10-1626 naam bruidegom: Willemss, John<br> naam bruid: Heijndrix, Maglijntje <ref>bronverwijzing: DTB 431, p.461opmerkingen: Huwelijksintekeningen van de KERK. Archief van de Burgerlijke Stand: doop-, trouw- en begraafboeken van Amsterdam (retroacta van de Burgerlijke Stand) Ondertrouwregister: NL-SAA-26401771</ref>
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