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== Biography ==
'''Note''' There were two John Sales (Sayles). The man from this profile was also known as "Jan Celes of Manhattan." He lived at Charlestown and later died at New Netherland in 1645.
The other John Sales was not seen in New England Records until 1645, he died at Providence, Rhode Island.
Please do not confuse these two men. Thank you.
----John Sales, was also called Jan/Jans Seals, Sayles, Sayles, Seales, Seals, Celes, Corlij
Lacking a birth or early record, "Sales" was used by Anderson in his Great Migration sketch
=== Birth ===John was born about 1600, based on his marriage in 1625. This marriage occurred in Little Waldingfield, Suffolk, England and it is a good possibility that John came from the vicinity of Suffolk, England.<ref name="Anderson">The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III. ([https://www.americanancestors.org/DB393/i/12107/1616/23895975 Online database: AmericanAncestors.org,] New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2010), (Originally Published as: New England Historic Genealogical Society. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 1995). p. 1616</ref>
??? Are these his parents [[Sales-261|John Sales]] and [[Unknown-298315|Mary Unknown]]. Disconnected for lack of evidence.
=== Marriages ===(1) Little Waldingfield, Suffolk, 11 August 1625, [[Soales-1|Phillip Soales]], who died by 1644 (and perhaps soon after the birth of her second child in 1628). She is not seen alive in any New England or New Netherland record.<ref name="Anderson" /> It is believed, by some, that she and her daughter perished on board ship.{{Citation Needed}}
(2) New Amsterdam 21 August 1644 [NS] Maria Sloofs, widow of Jan Sloofs. Maria remarried after Jan's death, 9 August 1645 Thomas Grydy.<ref>Anderson: citing NY Church Records p 13 and NYGBR 124:226-27</ref> From the church records: 1644 Aug 21 Jan Corlij, Van Noortfort, Wedr. Van Philippa Zaals, en Maria Sloofs, Wede. Van Jan Sloofs. <ref>[[#CNYGBS|Collections NY Gen. & Biog. Soc.]]: 1890, Vol. 1, Page 13</ref>
=== Immigration ===In 1630, John immigrated to New England settling first in Charlestown, then removing to Boston in 1633 and New Amsterdam, New Netherland, in 1638, where he remained until his death. It was believed in the past that he was also the John Sales in Providence Rhode Island, but this has proved to be incorrect.<ref name="Anderson" />
=== Boston ===:He was admitted to Boston church as member in the fall of 1630.<ref>The Records of the First Church in Boston 1630-1868, volume 1. Richard D. Pierce , (editor). PUBLICATIONS of The Colonial Society of Massachusetts VOLUME XXXIX COLLECTIONS. (Boston: PUBLISHED BY THE SOCIETY, 1961) p. 13 [https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/etas/62/ Can download here]</ref><ref name="Anderson" />
=== Charlestown ===<blockquote>"In 1632 there "happened in this town [Charlestown] the first known thief that was notoriously observed in the country, his name was John Sales who having stolen corn from many people in this scarce time was convicted thereof before the Court, & openly punished, & all he had by law condemned & sold to make restitution"<ref>Anderson citing [ChTR 8]</ref>. [1 April 1633] "John Sayles being convicted of fellonyously takeing away corne & fishe from dyvers psons the last yeare & this, as also clapboards, &c., is censured by the Court after this mannr: That all his estate shall be forfeited, out of w<sup>ch</sup> double restituteon shallbe made to those whome hee hath wronged, shallbe whipt, & bound as serv<sup>t</sup> with any that will retaine him for 3 years, & after to be disposed of by the Court as they shall thinke meete. John Sayle is bound with Mr. Coxeshall for 3 yeares, for w<sup>ch</sup> he is to give him 4<sup>l</sup> per anñ; his daughter is also bound w<sup>th</sup> him for 14 years. M<sup>r</sup>. Coxeshall is to have a sowe w<sup>th</sup> her, & att the end of her time hee is to give unto her a cow calfe". [4 March 1633/4] "It is ordered that John Sayles shall be severely whipt for ruñing from his maister, Mr. Coxeall".<ref name="Anderson" /><ref>Shurtleff, Nathaniel. ''[[Space:Records of the Governor and Company of the Massachusetts Bay in New England|Records of the Governor and Company of the Massachusetts Bay in New England]]'' Vol 1 1628-1641 (William White, Boston, 1853-) [https://archive.org/stream/recordsofgoverno01mass#page/104/mode/2up p 104] & </ref></blockquote>
=== New Amsterdam ===<blockquote>"He freed himself from all that trouble and migrated to New Amsterdam, where he acquired a second wife (the first having died) and considerable property. He was known as "Old Jans" (45 years old when he died) and had quite a reputation.<ref name ="Bio">Quote from Source: [http://genealogyandfamilyhistory.yuku.com/topic/135/John-Sales-aka-Sayles-Seals-Seales-Celes#.V1SvYZF97IV John Sales]</ref></blockquote>
In 1638, Jan Celes, an Englishman was allowed to occupy a plantation, which became known as Old Jan's Land, which passed to his son in law Tonis Nyssen and later became part of the Trinity Church property.<ref>Epperson, Gwenn. "The True Identity Of John Sales Alias Jan Celes Of Manhattan." The New York Genealogical And Biographical Record. Volume: 123 Issue: 2 Page number: 68. (1992)</ref> His behavior in New Amsterdam was not better than his behaviour in Massachusetts. He was convicted of various offenses such as damaging hogs in 1638, and chasing and wounding cattle in 1643.
=== Death ===John died in New Neterland in 1645 between the date of his will, 17 April 1645 and the remarriage of his widow, 9 August 1645.<ref name="Anderson" />
=== Will ===In his nuncupative will, dated 17 April 1645 : Jan Celes ... bequeathed half his estate to "Tonis Nysen, his brother-in-law"(son in law !) and half to "his wife Marritjen Roberts"; his wife's share was for life only, then to revert to "Tonis Nysen or his children or heirs"<ref>New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch, Volume II, Register of the Provincial Secretary, 1642-1647 (Baltimore 1974), pp. 311-13</ref><ref>Theunis Nyssen is called in this translation of the will "brother-in-law," but the Dutch term can also be rendered as "son-in-law," which is correct here.</ref>
Will of John Seals (146C)
<blockquote>"In the year of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, one thousand six hundred and forty-five, on the seventeenth of April, before me, Cornelis van Tienhoven, secretary of New Netherland, Appeared Jan Celes, who, being wounded and lying sick abed, but of sound memory and understanding, declared in the presence of the undersigned witnesses that he, reflecting on the certainty of death and the uncertainty of the hour therefore and wishing therefore to anticipate all such uncertainty of death by testamentary disposition, commends his soul after his death into the hands of the Almighty God and his body to a christian burial. Proceeding then to the disposal of his goods and effects, he declares it to be his last will that after his death Tonis Nysen, his brother-in-law shall first take out of the estate the just half of all the goods and effects which he shall leave behind. The other half, his wife, Marritjen Robbers, shall take to herself and have the use of until she remarry or die, provided that in case she remarry, the property may not be used up, diminished or alienated by her husband or herself, but she shall be entitled only to have the use of the income thereof during her life, the principal remaining intact and reverting after her death to Tonis Nysen or his children or heirs, without said Marritjen Robberts' relatives being allowed to take possession of the aforesaid property; only, she shall then have power to leave by will two hundred guilders out of the said estate to whoever she pleases. He Jan Celes, requests in the presence of all these bystanders that this, being his last will, may take effect after his death before all lords, courts, tribunals and judges. Done the day and year above written. This is the signature of Jan S John Seles made by himself Thomas Hall This is the X mark of Cosyn Gerritsz This is the X mark of Hendrick Pitersz Abraham WatsonThis is the X Mark of Jeurien Feratel Acknowledged before me Cornelis van Tienhoven, Secretary." <ref>https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/files/4114/0151/9401/Volume_II_-_Register_of_the_Provincial_Secretary_1642-1647.pdf
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=== Children ===
Children from the first marriage<ref name="Anderson" /># Phebe, bp. Little Waldingfield 1 May 1626; married at New Amsterdam 11 February 1640 [NS] Theunis Nyssen , who married (2) Middelwout 24 August 1663 [NS] Jan Cornelison Buys.<ref name="Anderson" /> Phebe, as a child, in 1633, was bound/apprenticed to John Coggeshall, because her father was a thief. 6 June 1637, Coggeshall saying "saide girle hath pved over burthensome to him." Coggeshall had put her to John Levins, of Roxbury. A committee was formed to see to the disposing of her as they think equal.<ref> Shurtleff: Records Massachusetts [https://archive.org/stream/recordsofgoverno01mass#page/198/mode/2up p. 198]</ref># Sarah, bp. Little Waldingfield 27 July 1628; no further record.<ref name="Anderson" />
Claims are that this couple also had children
*[[Sayles-7|John Sayles]] who married Mary, daughter of Roger Williams
*[[Sayles-281|Richard Sayles]]
G. Andrews Moriarty in "John Sayles of Providence." TAG 15:228 made this claim: "Turning now to the Providence records, we find that John Sayles was not the only person of the name early in Providence records (Prov. Rec., Vol. II p. 30). In view of the age of John, husband of Mary Williams, they cannot be the same person. I would suggest that this last is an older man. On 1 Oct 1663 Richard Sayles witnessed a deed of John Sayles (ie. husband of Mary Williams), and in 1688 Richard Sayles, as well as John, son of John and Mary, was taxed at Providence (Providence printed records, I, 6, and XVII, 127, 128)."He then suggested that John Sayles of 1645 was the father of John Sayles (Mary Williams' husband) and of Richard Sayles, and gives a description of John Sales of Charlestown whose daughter was Phebe.<ref>Moriarty, G. Andrews."John Sayles of Providence." The American Genealogist 15:228 [https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/american-genealogist-the/image?volumeId=11822&pageName=228&rId=134916020 Link AmericanAncestors ($)</ref>
What Moriarty and subsequent writers missed was that John Sales, of Charlestown, whose daughter was Phebe, had removed to New Amsterdam. His daughter Phebe married there in 1640 and he made his will and died in 1645.<ref>Book Reviews: "Sayles Country..." NYGBR 118:187 (1987)</ref>
== Sources ==
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* The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, pp.1616 &1617 (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2010), (Originally Published as: New England Historic Genealogical Society. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 1995): https://www.americanancestors.org/DB393/i/12107/1617/1415519677* New England Marriages to 1700. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: New England Marriages Prior to 1700. Boston, Mass.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015: https://www.americanancestors.org/DB1568/i/21175/1337/426903000*'''Notation''' There is a record (Torrey's) of a John Sayles marriage to (Unknown) in 1628 in Charlestown. There is no record of his first wife after 1628 which is due possibly because she died in childbirth or shortly after dau Sarah's birth. A 2nd marriage in 1628 to (unknown) could have led to the births of sons John, 1633 & Richard, 1635. It was in those years that apparently John was stealing food to support his family which came to a head in 1632 and being found guilty and punished probably led to his removing to Boston. (Anderson, GMB)* <span id='CNYGBS'></span>''[[Space:Collections of the New-York Genealogical and Biographical Society|Collections of the New-York Genealogical and Biographical Society]]'' (New York) * Title: http://www.stipak.com/vanderveer/maria/MariaVanderveer.HTM Quality or Certainty of Data: 0 Data Changed: 02/21/07, 11:01:15 Page: 01/21/07, 17:25:53, 0 * Source: <span id='S134'>S134</span> Type: Book Author: John Van Zandt Cortelyou Periodical: The Cortelyou Genealogy Publication: Lincoln, Nebraska: Brown Printing Service, 1942 Page: 01/21/07, 17:25:53, 04 * Source: <span id='S191'>S191</span> Type: Web Site Author: Gwen F Epperson; Harry Macy, Jr. (NYG&BR) Oct 1993 Title: The True Identity of John Sales alias Jan Celes of Manhattan URL: Rootsweb Dutch-Colonies-L Archives Date: 12 Feb 1998 * Source: <span id='S192'>S192</span> Text: record in the Reformed Dutch Church in NY, per rootsweb post in Dutch-Colonies-L Archives * Source: <span id='S225'>S225</span> Type: Book Author: I.N. Phelps Stokes Periodical: The Iconography of Manhattan Island, 1498-1909 Publication: RH Dodd (NY: 1915-1928) Volume: 2,4,6 * Source: <span id='S29'>S29</span> Title: Register, Early Settlers of Kings County, LI, NY Author: Teunis G. Bergen Publication: NY, 1881 Quality or Certainty of Data: 0 Data Changed: 02/21/07, 21:50:52 Page: 01/21/07, 17:25:53, 0 * Source: <span id='S61'>S61</span> Type: Book Author: Charlotte R. Woglom Bangs Periodical: Our Ancestors Publication: Brooklyn: Press of Kings County Journal, 1896 * Ancestry.com U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2012; Repository: [[#R1]] * Yates Publishing U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2004; * Ancestry.com Global, Find A Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2012; * Heritage Consulting Millennium File Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2003;
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